MSP Webinar with Charisse Magsipok and Dr. Julia Klausli

0:06Hello, everybody. I'm Joe Drennett, and I'm with DuVois Mercy University. And we are on this webinar tonight with doctor Clausley. She is the program chair. And Therese who she's a recent graduate, but she's going to be an admit admissions adviser just like me. So but, we got some very exciting things to to tell you about what's going on, you know, within the, DMU community and our continual improvement. And so without further ado, let's go with doctor Kyle. Thank you so much. So good to have everybody here tonight. I think we're gonna start, just Carice, if you wanna introduce yourself a little bit, say when you graduated and kind of maybe start off with what you did and what drew you to the program.

1:00Hi. My name is Charisse Magsapak. I learned about IPS, Institute for Psychological Sciences, back when I was in college. Back around 2008, I attended a focus conference. And I was just finishing my engineering degrees at the time, and then I realized at some point in there, I was like, I'm gonna go back to psychology at some point. So I've always been getting the IPS newsletters every month. And then as time went by, I was an engineer for several years in the oil field. I was a sister for a few years, and then I worked at the parish for about five years as a sacraments coordinator for youth formation. So first communion, infant baptism, RCIA for children. And then in that time, I was real really encountering a lot of families, a lot of brokenness in families.

1:46And I don't know. And as an engineer, I'm usually, like, straightforward, logical, over analytical, and I really realized I was missing a huge social component in my work. So I I remembered about Divine Mercy University, and I started doing the MSP program, back in the summer of twenty twenty one. And then I graduated actually this past summer. I finished my last course in July 23, and I was doing a self designed track. And, I was so excited to do it because, a lot of my capstone also went into implementation in my parish, and it's still a program that's being used there. So happy to be here. Very good. Thank you. Fantastic. So if you think back the you know, we have eight core courses, and then we have three electives that people can choose in different areas, and we'll talk about those a little bit.

2:37A couple things that kinda stand out to you as you went through the program that you thought, wow, that really helped me in my work in ministry. There were two human services classes that I took. There was the relationship interventions and the group therapy class. Those two classes really challenged me. And, actually, when I was first applying to Divine Mercy University, I was like, I'm not going to be a counselor. I don't feel like I am I'm fit to talk to talking to people, but then I challenged myself to do these classes where I I was really challenged to see how I interacted with people and how I needed to be more empathetic to other to others as well, and that really helped me in my work.

3:19So doctor doctor Anna Peguararo and doctor Laura Cusimano were really integral in helping me, improve my social the social component of my work for sure. So those two classes really stood out to me. Fantastic. And I think really what what it is, I think one of the things that I, particularly love I love a lot of parts about our program. But one thing for me as program director and as faculty, what I love is, the MSP has such a range of students. We have people probably 25% of our students living overseas, so which makes for wonderful discussion in the weekly discussion posts because people come with such a richness of experience and perspectives. And then also we have people from such different backgrounds in terms of work and ministry.

4:08Like, you Charice, you came from engineering and then into ministry. We do have a substantial number of priests and sisters and focus missionaries, but also we have people who are in the business world, people who are in health care, right, people who are going on for other doctoral programs. So just the the the variety of experience is one of the things that is, I think, very, very joyful in terms of walking through the program. Charice, if you think a little bit, it's all online, 100% asynchronous online, how did you feel? Did you feel very alone? Do you did you feel you could connect with people? Yes. So when I was doing the online portion, especially that first class, it was very integral to actually meet a cohort.

4:54I actually went out on my way to really get a WhatsApp with people and to talk to them. And I would say the first course really helped me introduce myself to on online learning. So that first course was really good at easing me into it. The weekly discussions, the the few the papers, that you would have to do every week. And then what I really loved about those were the weekly individualized feedback from the professors, which are so helpful too because sometimes I feel like as as you as you mentioned, like, online learning can be very difficult sometimes. Despite the fact that it's asynchronous that you can learn it on your own time, you feel sort of isolated at home, but you'll always have these feedback, from professors, from your cohorts.

5:35So you never really feel alone at during this program at all. Yeah. And I I really appreciate your perspective as somebody who's just walked through it. I think that's really it it feels like like an online learning community. Right? It is really a virtual learning community. And we have I think since you have walked through the program, we've added a virtual residency in the first course where we spend two full days together online in small groups and in larger groups and practicing skills, relating skills that pretty much anybody needs in any kind of job or ministry. Being able to listen well and connect with your listeners is doesn't matter if you're a CEO of a company or, parish priest or anything around that.

6:25Just so important. So we're practicing skills, but we all are meeting each other. We all, getting to know each other a little bit, which the feedback we get is people find it really, really joyful. I'm gonna share my screen here for a minute just to give a little bit of an overview of and where we're at in the program, what the program is. One of the things and, we haven't updated the last piece yet. So we have we've kinda over the years, the last few years, added concentrations. The the reason we've added concentrations is that people come to us with, can you teach this? Can you give us this? I'm looking I I'm director of marriage and family in my diocese. I I need to know more about integrative view of the family or pre kana, post kana, premarital, post marital support for families and couples.

7:14So, over the last couple years, we've added concentrations to accommodate the different needs that people bring to us. Marriage and family is one where, people working with couples, mentor couples, and we have quite a few people who are directors of marriage and family, both at the parish level and at the diocesan level. People who work in nonprofit organizations and like to understand a little bit more on family systems theory, hands on interventions. And now we've just revised and added a course on Catholic Christian marriage and human sexuality. So So having that integrity of you on marriage, family, and human sexuality, if that's part of your work ministry, there's a great great course, great concentration.

8:06We've added the human services because we have a lot of people who come with a desire to help and a desire to to work with people who have faced adversity, who are in harder places. And human services is that concentration that equips you, to help people overcome adversity by connecting them with resources. So case management for different agencies to work with people, that's kinda your human services degree. There is a certification you can get that the degree qualifies you for that you have to do afterwards, getting some practical hours, but we meant we meet the educational requirements for that. Then, leadership is just a great concentration. We've had some people who have who are project management in Silicon Valley.

8:58And they come to us and was like, all I know is computers. I don't know anything about people. I need to learn to understand people. Charisse, maybe there's a little bit of your background with engineering. Right? Like, I'm really comfortable with the engineering and with the math and the IT, but now I'm supposed to be in charge of people. So so how does that work? So we've added we have, our first course, applied leadership skills. It really goes from self leadership to other leadership. How do I lead myself well? How I become comfortable being the role of a leader, then adding, the concept of transformational leadership and then having a very hands on organizational leadership class. So that's that is you are in either a ministry setting where you take leadership.

9:44We have some priests who have a Catholic school attached to their parish, larger parish ministry, or people who are heads in seminaries, people who are leadership roles at focus. So so many different leadership roles, which is feel they wanna have deeper knowledge in leadership and have it from a Catholic Christian perspective. Then the pre PhD is our latest or it's not our latest. Our latest bioethics. The one that we started this year in January, and there is kind of a a growing group of people kind of fresh out of college who probably wanna get into a little more competitive doctoral programs. And they wanna get a, the integrative perspective. How do I integrate philosophy, theology, psychology well before I go on maybe for a state school doctoral program?

10:35And who wanna have done a full research project, hopefully a presentation at a conference and a publication to put them in that little more competitive space to apply for doctoral programs. And that's been a really, great addition. Just had two meetings today with students who are, one, doing something on boredom and sense of purpose in life and just there's some really interesting data collection for young adults. So somebody doing, intergenerational trauma. So fantastic, interesting research work that they are doing and pulling in that, Christian view of the person into their research work. Then, self design. So there's a lot of ministry people go the self design route because depending on their ministry needs, they take one relating skills class, maybe the marriage family or Catholic Christian marriage human sexuality course and maybe one leadership course.

11:30So we have a lot of our priest sisters, people in ministry have liked the self design. And then Jess is not on this list yet. We added, Jess, this fall, or starting in spring, a bioethics in collaboration with the National Catholic Bioethics Center. For people who are chaplains, people working in health care, who are kind of faced with these harder ethical situations, people struggling and being in harder places. So the ability to discern well and relate compassionately and empathically, Right? Those two pieces together is, that's what the bioethics concentration is for. So if people have questions about either of the concentrations, put a question in the chat. We'd love to give more feedback.

12:23And, Charice, you took a couple classes from human services. Is that correct? Yes. And one in leadership. You wanna say a little bit what what stood out to you and what was helpful in those classes? For sure, the as as you mentioned, I have come from a technical background. So for me, I can do the math. I can do the the logistics side, the coordinating side, but I didn't, I need more help and tools to be able to engage other people. So in my work at at the parish, I work with a lot of families. I don't particularly work in the marriage section, but with kids. And when they come up to me with questions, about mental health and how to and and then their parents are coming out to me with their working with with their children.

13:08The human services side really helped me, especially the relationship interventions. Learning how to listen, how to empathically listen, and be present to these families was something I was really needing. So the relationship intervention class was for was interesting because they required you to to actually do relation like, talks with other people, and you had to record it. And that was that was, what you were being, being graded on. And that was such a challenge for me because I didn't I don't like being in front of the camera, but it was such a good, practice. And then the group therapy, sessions was were really about leading groups for me, because I lead a lot of families through first communion, through sacraments for their children, I needed to learn more about how to be more present in a larger group of people and how to be attentive to eat to each person.

13:58That's the best that I can, of course, but that taught me how to lead. And then the leadership really cemented how I can be a better leader. And, honestly, from that class, I really learned that to be a better leader, I need to also be a better follower. Like, all these little things that I'm learning in these classes are what's are something I was able to take with me to work almost immediately. So everything I was learning was just really applicable to any profession. Excellent. Thank you so much for sharing. Look at the chat here. Oh, no questions. Good. I wanted to be sure. If you have questions, put them in the chat. We'll go a little bit further kind of, what is that core that you'll be learning?

14:42So we'll have the electives that you will take. Really being, I call it psychologically literate is probably the best way to describe it. Be well psychologically literate. Right? To to know those basic concepts of human growth and development. Right? Seeing the person in their formative years and seeing the person in in the aging years. Right? Understanding how their thinking changes, how perception changes, how spirituality develops. Right? And thinking to your own journey. Right? How was my own journey has affected me? Where am I in the lifespan? So being very familiar with that, I think, gives a wonderful asset is a wonderful asset in working with people. And we have a developmental psychopathology, risk and resilience, which is a our outlook on psychopathology is really developmental.

15:39Right? Factors of risk and factors that increase resiliency. So looking through different, you know, basic psychopathology, addictions, OCD, anxiety disorders, etcetera. But always with this developmental framework because we are not never stuck. We're never at a place. And our Catholic charismatic model of the person, which one piece that I love is that as being created in the image of God, we are developmental. God has created us with the ability to grow and develop and change, which is such a hopeful outlook for the person. We are never stuck. We are never just at a place. We're always with that trajectory, towards eternity and and growth and development. Couple years ago, we added a course cognition, emotion, motivation for people to understand, for us to learn, a little bit biological basis of behavior and emotion, thinking through thought processes and how they affect our emotion.

16:39What motivates people? Right? If I need to motivate people, what are those factors from motivational psychology? What are decision making processes? Right? How do people make decisions? Right? What do they pull in in those thought processes? I think a very helpful course for understanding functioning. Then we have our Catholic Christian vision of flourishing course that talks about vocations and virtues as a philosophy course, and then stats and research methodology, which is really puts you in that place. I think those two courses where you go from, not expert to expert. Right? The ability to speak as an expert is those tools to go to the research literature yourself, to understand concepts of research and be able to read articles.

17:28You you don't just have to stay with what's posted on the web or what people think about stuff. You can say, well, is that actually true? And how would I know? I can go to the research myself because I have the tools not to go to the research myself. It's a really a huge step of becoming a professional. And, Charice, do you have a thought to that? That was such a good class. Because of my engineering background, a lot of my cohort, which we had a huge WhatsApp and we're still continuing today. A lot of people are very scared about the statistics course because, I mean, statistics, it's it can be scary, but it was actually done in such a way where it was so accessible to everyone. And doctor Klaassel, you were my professor for for the statistical analysis class.

18:09I had a great time reading it and going through all of the statistical model models because I think there's a lot of things where when you when you watch on the news media, they're like, oh, statistics say this. But I'm like, I wanna know what statistics actually say than what, than what the media tells me. So there's a lot you can you're much more in-depth now. You can understand statistical research, and you can actually read these papers where these statistics come from and understand really what they actually mean. So I had a great time with that course. Yeah. I I love I I love that course, obviously. I teach it. I really enjoy, but I enjoy the process. The research methods, and program evaluation, it's interesting.

18:51We we still have people who are in different ministries come back to us to to process with us because that course takes you through the ability to ask the question, the right question of, how would I know if my ministry or work is actually effective? Right? And have the tools to ask those questions and and answer those questions. So we still have periodic people who are now in different ministries, who have graduated, who are like, you know, I I actually would like to understand better if our youth ministry is actually reaching the goals we wanted to reach or if our missionary work or our seminary formation. Right? Is it actually reaching the goals we set out to go we set out to reach, and how would we know?

19:32So that's kinda really helpful. And then social psychology, fantastic to understand who we are in groups, in culture, diversity. God has made us diverse. What does it look like created in the image of God with all the diversity that we see in the world? And, how does it affect us in groups and cultures? So, those are our core courses that everybody takes. You look at the chat. I say, oh, say hello. So if you have question, you can also just maybe raise your hand. So we will, go just quick a little bit through. We've talked about the, different concentrations and kind of different jobs you can do with that. You'll schedule an individual discussion with Joe or Charisse where you go through these.

20:19We won't spend a lot of time on those. If you have questions, you can ask about those specifically. And, then moving forward, I will turn it over. I'll stop sharing. I'll let Joe Drennen share kind of going through the specifics of the school and the program. If you have questions, how do you move forward? Those kind of practical pieces. Well, thank you, doctor Classy. I will do that. And, thank you, doctor Classy and and Charisse, for giving that good input in what you're doing. So I am going to share my screen, and I think I hope everybody can see this. And we are Divine Mercy University. It's a master's psychology, 100% online degree. So the only time you would ever have to come to campus is at graduation if you wish to, and we don't, you know, require the GRE, the graduate record exam.

21:26Then the, we are composed of two schools. The, school for sciences psychological sciences and school counseling. But our our our our premise or treatises is it's the old person. We call it the Catholic Christian meta model. And, you know, when we teach, of course, you know, we teach psychology, you know, the mind and behavior. We also put some philosophy in there. We infuse theology. Now we don't have, you know, theology one zero one or religion one zero one, but we may make, you know, references to the saints in the bible. And this is to to to help you flourish so you can help other people flourish. And we've been around since 1999. And then in 2014, we started the 100% online master's in psychology.

22:18Then in 2015, we added, we added counseling, but we went from a name change from the Institute of Psychological Sciences to Divine Mercy University, and we gained university status. And then we are credited by the Southern Association of Schools and Colleges. And, you know, in The US, there are, I think, there are six regional accredited groups. And you got, like, the Northeast, Middle States, Midwest, Southern States, and that we're the we're the we're the Southern associate. So we're from Virginia down to Florida over to Texas and up to Kentucky. And other schools are like Duke, Georgia Tech, and many others. But it's a sign of that that, you know, we're we're we're doing what we say we're gonna do.

23:09And, of course, you saw doctor Classly, but, you know, I don't know if she mentioned this or not, but, you know, when we form a group and the next group we're forming is for a class to start on January 10. And, you know, very few of our, students have bachelor's in psychology. They could be in nursing too. We have priests in there. We have deacons. We have social workers. We have homemakers. We have and, again, they could be from all over the world since it is online, but what this makes for is a diverse learning group. And then, you know, how is a master's online psychology unique? Well, it's all online. You know what? You never have to, you know, get in your car, you know, get or to get dressed up, go to your car, and go to class.

24:02It is all there. And you do it on your time because it is in, you know, what we call asynchronous. And then, you know, again, our our our big premise is the Catholic Christian, the whole person. Wanna deal with the whole person. You know? Their mind, of course, you know, their their spirit and their heart. It's it's it's just deeper than secular psychology, and you can finish in either sixteen or twenty six months. And what I like is you get feedback from your instructors on a weekly basis. And, you know, I was in school a while back, and my only feedback was the grade on my papers. And I either did good or bad. And if I wanted to talk with my instructor, I had to set an appointment. And I went to a couple of appointments, and they said out for the day.

24:52So heck with that. But you're gonna get feedback weekly whether you want it or not. And, you know, we we try to do have have, formation groups of, about 24, 25 people. That's pretty small. And we teach in the five learning modalities. You know? Modalities are methods. And, the, you know, the biggest one is your lectures. You don't have to do theirs. You know, they are recorded and archived, so you can, you you can, you know, watch and listen to them as many times as you wish. And then the other thing on that is you can download your lecture to a video or a audiobook. So if you're driving or working around the house, you know, you can have that play for you. And our our faculty is pretty good, and, you know, they they wanna help you learn.

25:45And and I have and you think we have teachers they just teach. You know? I'm gonna tell you this. You memorize it. We're gonna have a test. Well, our instructors wanna help you learn by, first of all, get to know you as an individual and finding out your learning style, what works best for you and your goal for, you know, after you finish. And then there's some of the I'm gonna let you read some of the these are some of the benefits of the masters of psychology program. So just you know, there there's always benefits to getting a degree higher than what you have. And maybe some of you already have some type of master's degrees. I mean, we have a a student right now who is in his third fourth year of residency in psychiatry school.

26:33A psychiatrist. So he had to become an MD first, doctor. Now he's in psychology reg residency, and he's taking our course because he he just said, you know, no one ever taught me how to, help people flourish. And he'll be a great psychiatrist. So and then the, when, I met graduations, I asked all the students, what'd you learn most? What'd you learn most? And nine out of time nine out of 10 times, they said, I learned most about me. So, you know, a good part of helping other people is you have to know yourself first. And then doctor Julie, she went over the concentrations, you know, marriage and family, human services, leadership, pre PhD, and self design, plus bioethics. Bioeth it's a big thing.

27:26And I don't know. I mean, it would be very, very helpful for someone, you know, in the, you know, medical industry if you're a nurse or, maybe a, yeah, a CNA or whatever, but it's gonna help you make decisions about food. And decision making is tough because you never know, am I making the right decision? Well, I always say, if you make the right decision, 51% of the time, you're doing good. So and, again, she went over all the concentrations, I mean, with you. And, you know, and another thing about the marriage and family is that you get certified for what they call FOCUS, which is f o c c u s. And FOCUS is an assessment you give to couples before they get married. And so scientific way for them to or for you to show them maybe blind spots that may come about, you know, either, you know, two, three, four, five years in their marriage.

28:30And this way, they are prepared for them. And, you know, one of the biggest questions, well, if I get a if I get my master's degree in psychology, am I gonna get employed, you know, in some type of psychology afterwards? Well, I mean, you never know. I mean, after my master's degree, it took me two years to get the job I wanted. And, again, my master's was in education. And but, you know, big thing, it's gonna make you different. You're know about yourself and give you that broader base of knowledge and confidence. Then, you know, the good things, you know, on the, you know, taking online classes, it's something oh, that's easy. I just do it from my home. You do do it from my home. But you still either have to put in, you know, fifteen or, you know, maybe thirty hours a week depending upon how many classes you take.

29:29So, you know, you can, you can, you know, study anytime you want because you'll always have that continuous, access to what we call Canvas. Canvas is our online learning platform. And then we again, in Canvas, they have these five essential looking things, you know, videos, books, classroom tutorials, and audiobook, k, that we can help you learn and then getting the individualized feedback from your your professors. Then this is our core staff, and, of course, you and I have doctor Classley. She is the the head person, and she generally teaches statistics. But, you know, doctor Cuptown, and Gross doctor Gross, they teach, you know, a lot of the classes. Then we have our, others well, they're very, very good.

30:23They all have PhD. And, you know, Giovanna lives in Australia, so he's kinda opposite times. You know, Chris has his own management consulting firm, but, you know, they have their own specialties depending upon your concentration. And, you know, the big thing is they want to help you learn. Now here are the acceptance requirements. First of all, you have to have a bachelor's degree with a 2.5 or better breakdown. And then two letters of recommendation, and these are, recommendation letters that they have to compose. We we, if you designate, say, a supervisor, you know, a teacher, your spiritual director, maybe your your your priest or pastor, we send them a questionnaire, and they rate you on different areas.

31:15Takes them ten minutes, then they hit submit, and it comes back to us. And then your resume, you know, a resume is it's a, a paper. I mean, most everyone has a resume. And a resume, to me, it tells me what you get in the past and what you're doing now, kinda up to the present, and then a written letter of intent. And this is a statement, 300 to 500 words on how this master's degree in psychology is gonna help you achieve your goals, and I call this the future. And then if your, if your, first language is, you know, you know, American, US, you know, you don't have to take the TOEFL or ITL test. And then we do have what is called an a mandatory virtual orientation, and this happens after you get your application in.

32:11This is a small group Zoom meeting with you, doctor Classy, and probably about four or five or other of your, class formations. Pretty, pretty simple on that. And then we do have financial aid. And when you get into graduate level studies Mhmm. You know, there are no more Pell grants or state grants, you know, you know, federal or state funding. They do give you loans, and they give you a lot of loan money. And most students that, you know, if you qualify, it will cover everything even if you don't have scholarships. But we have we have certain scholarships that will help reduce the, the tuition, you know, such as, you know, early application scholarships. We have ones, you know, if you're a veteran, if you are a good member of your parish, you know, if you're in public service, such as a teacher, a, police, you know, in law enforcement or social worker, you know, we we we wanna make it affordable for you.

33:14Nobody goes for free. We wanna make it affordable. And this is our tuition. It's you know? And this is without any scholarships, and this is everything. Books. Everything. You know? You know, books today. You know? Going to college, you could pay another $5,000 just for books. But it's $8.50 a credit hour for thirty three credit hours. $28.00 5. And then your technology fee, it's 50 per class, $5.50. Then a residency fee, a $2.50. And this is the only time you are required to be online as a group present, you know, and and we need your attentiveness is on, virtual residency. And it's on a Friday and a Saturday from ten to five. And it's you, all of your class formation, and and all the instructors.

34:09It's one big learning session. And, actually, it's better than if you went to, you know, Sterling, Virginia where campus is. It's great. Students love it. They want more of it, but that's the only two days you are required to be online for that eight hours or so. And it really puts together your your your first it comes after your first class, the, I call it the flourishing class, and it's, you know, you'll really like it. So then if you, we have two tracks. You can finish your degree in sixteen months or twenty six months. And the twenty six months, you take one class at a time. And a time is you know, when we have a semester, it's sixteen weeks, and it's divided into two eight week sections.

35:03And you just take one class, then you take one class, then you finish. And we do have breaks in there. It's not all straight through. About every week, every eight weeks in midterm, you're gonna have at least a week break. And then after a semester, you're gonna have a two week break, a four week break, or a five week break. And so, you know, you need that time off as well as the instructors. But then when you do the sixteen months, you're taking two classes at a time, and it really you know, you're really gonna finish up faster and get a significant reduction on tuition by almost $3,000 just for doing that. So then and this is what I asked you, and this is something you discern about is what, you know, doctor and, and what I've told you, will it help will it help you, you know, obtain your.

35:57I mean, I don't know what your goals are. I'm sure you have goals, but anytime you invest time and money into a master's degree I mean, there's gotta be some type of payout either financially or spiritually. And could you fit the time in? And and in reality, if you are, going to take one class at a time, you're gonna be about fifteen, a little bit more hours per week on study, what we call, you know, research, writing, reflecting, and then submitting. And then the, if you take a two classes at a time, you know, twenty five to thirty hours a week of this Depends on, you know, how much you wanna give up. But, as I know for myself, going through a master's degree at age 41, I had to give up something to do it, and I gave up I gave up my freedom.

36:51But I studied and got better at that. And then will financial aid work? Well, don't know that till you go with financial aid, but, you know, if it's not gonna work for you, we're not gonna let you attempt. And but most of the time, we're gonna we're gonna make it work for you. You'll be surprised how on your own you can make it work for you. And, hey, if you start, you gotta complete it. Whether you're doing sixteen months, you know, twenty six months, or you have some interruptions in there, and it's forty eight months. You know, it, you know, if you start to complete it. And that is that. And, you know, Charice, do you have anything else you wanna say to the audience? Yes. Absolutely. I think, once you actually have your goal in mind, this program will help you attain it.

37:40I really came into this not obvious I didn't come from a psychology background, and that's perfectly fine. I was working full time while I was doing one class per term, and it's absolutely doable. So I remember when I was writing my written statement of intent that I was really wanting to help my families here at this parish that I was working at and helping them succeed, helping them to meet where they meet them where they are, be present to them. And that was something that I was missing from my my own personal, perspective. But, honestly, I learned more about myself during this whole course. I learned to flourish for myself so I can help other people flourish. I mean, there's a lot of, personal reflections in these courses where you don't really realize until you've actually read, the meta model where you're like, oh, no.

38:28This is something I need to see. I need to understand this so I can help other people flourish. So my goal was absolutely helpful. My goals were really attained by the end of this course, being able to help my families at this parish and also to just have that cheerful, empathetic demeanor that I I tend to miss because I used to be an engineer. But just saying, I had a great experience with MSP, and I hope I hope you will too. Okay. Well well well said, Charice. And, you know, almost you know, we call this the MSP, you know, master of psychology, you know, online, but you're almost saying this is a PhD, a people helper degree, EHD. So I'm so sorry. Wonderful, but, you know, Charisse and I will be back with you, oh, maybe in the next couple days.

39:16And, you know, you know, if you wanna spend more time with us, we'd love to speak with you one on one. I mean, you've already been through the, our really the same thing that, we would do. Oh, if someone said, what about retired teachers? Well, well, teachers never retire. You're always teaching. Okay? But, I we love teachers. I mean, that's my background. And, you know, this is a a degree can really help you help other people, you know, if you're a teacher. So and if but you never retire, I'm sure you're doing some southern like I did. So alright. Well, everybody, thank you so much for your participation, and thank you, Charisse, and thank you everybody so much. And, we hope to speak to each other soon.

40:07Bye now. Oh, there was, Oh, okay. A q and a there was a q and a question just right now. Oh, alright. It says, I want to ask if the mat or we're accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. They, you know, credit Duke, Florida State, and all the way through there. But, you know, I've had someone ask, are we APA accredited? Well, we use the APA writing, but, you know, only our doctor degree is APA accredited. You know, counseling is credit, but we're regionally accredited. I I hope that answers your question. And, I, would like to speak with everyone very soon. Thank you, Joyce. Bye now. Bye. Bye.