Overview of the Psy.D. Program

0:00Welcome to our PsyD webinar. I'm Doctor. Bradley Cypher, and I'm the admissions advisor for the PsyD program. The format today of today's webinar is pretty straightforward. First, I have a PowerPoint presentation where I'm going to highlight some of the more salient aspects of the PsyD program, and and then we're going to finish with some q and a. So if you have any questions at any time, over the course of the presentation, please lodge them in the chat box or in the q question and answer box, and I will field your questions at the end of the presentation. Also notice that I have included my email and my Calendly link as well as other resources in the chat box. So please, send me an email, like, find a place for to talk with me, in Calendly, and I'd be happy to speak with you, and I look forward to doing so.

0:44Okay. So without any further ado, this is the overview of the doctoral program in psychology at Divine Mercy University. A little bit about me, I recently finished my own doctorate, in theology at Ave Maria University. I wrote my doctoral dissertation dissertation on addiction, and so I approached what I regard to be a rather timely topic, from an interdisciplinary perspective using philosophy, theology, and psychology. And when I after I defended, I knew I wanted to get involved with the work of Divine Mercy. And so here I am working in admissions, and my mission right now is to, get you into the, basically, the career of your profession to be, the career of your dreams to be a healer, through the lenses of faith, and psychology.

1:31Okay. So if we look at where we are now in our school's history, there's two distinct sort of schools within the the larger umbrella of Divine Mercy University. There's a school of counseling, which is has a master's program chiefly online, and there's an institute for the psychological sciences, which houses both a residential doctoral program, but also a master's level, master's program online. Okay. So that's sort of where we are in terms of the structure of the school. Our mission is to heal and honor the totality of what it means to be human. And by this, I mean, we are integrating the best psychological science with, a firm and sort of fleshed out Catholic anthropology. And in so doing, we form mental health professionals of the highest caliber through rigorous academic and clinical training.

2:23We are located just outside of Washington DC, in the Sterling area. So we're just in the sort of in the suburbs, which means that you have easy access to city life if you enjoy the the hustle and bustle of the city, or if you enjoy sort of, like, the more outdoors and what we have that too. That's on the Western side of the states. We have the Appalachian Trail that runs through Northern Virginia and into West Virginia and Maryland. We are also recognized by a number of accreditation agencies that I think, is speaking to our, really just high standards, high academic standards, high clinical standards, through the following institutions, the State Council of Higher Education of Virginia, the Association of State and Provisional Psychology Boards.

3:12Here we have the American Psychological Association, maybe the most sort of prominent one. Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, and National Council of State Authorization of Suprocy agreements. So, again, no fewer than five, sort of well recognized accreditation agencies are speaking to our commitment to high academic standards. Alright. So sometimes people ask me, well, what is the difference really between the doctoral program and a good master's? Say if I wanted to be a clinician, I could get a master's in counseling. Why do a doctorate? Well, to my mind, there are, three major differences between these two programs. The first is at the doctoral level, there's way more attention to, clinical assessments.

3:57Okay. So but whether that be assessments done with the personalities or through the cognitive tests, you're going to get an extremely, sort of comprehensive take on all of these tests as a doctoral student with us. And that means you have no fewer than four courses in assessments, in the first two years of of the of the program. Now the other major difference is the total time that you spend in the clinic preparing to become, a healer or therapist. So thirty five hundred clinical hours are required for the doctorate versus seven hundred, at the master's level. So this is five times as much. It means that you're that much more prepared to, help people, you know, resolve traumas and heal, things like that.

4:43So you're that much more prepared as a clinician. The third major difference is the dissertation. Maybe unsurprisingly, at the doctoral level, a dissertation is going to be part and parcel. There are two major dissertations that we would, allow you to do here. They are the theoretical dissertation on the one hand and the empirical dissertation on the other. So the empirical dissertation tends to be much more data driven. So if you like numbers, if you like statistics, if you enjoy, sort of gathering data and then ex and sort of, analyzing that data, then a empirical dissertation can be a great one. We've had an an uptick in the number of people that have done the empirical dissertations in recent years.

5:28But, historically, we've had actually had more people do the theoretical. So if you enjoy ideas and you love sort of seeing how ideas, interact with clinical practice, then the theoretical dissertation actually is probably a better fit for you. So, again, like, historically, that was more of our wheelhouse, and we've now at this point in our history, we have a nice equilibrium between the two. We have about as many students that are doing empirical dissertations as we have theoretical. Okay. Now it is a five year program. You will receive a master of psychology en route to the doctoral degree. So, after the end of your successful completion of courses in your two, you're awarded the MSci. And then in the fifth year, you get your PsyD.

6:13Now let me show you what the curriculum is going to look like for you. Alright. Now in many ways, this curriculum is perhaps analogous to medical school. I like to draw that analogy for people because if you notice in the in sort of in the first two years, lots of courses. Right? Much like if you were a medical student, you know, a lot of it is getting those big sort of meaty science courses out of the way in the first couple of years so that you can apply them in a clinical setting to your patients in the third and fourth years primarily. You will see maybe two or three clients in the second year. That is to kind of get you just your feet wet, right, your first foray into the clinical practice, while also not overwhelming you with too many clients because, of course, you're still in in you're still taking classes.

7:04Now but in the third and the fourth year, there's maybe, oh, three to four times as many clients. So maybe you have, two or three clients in your two. You probably have between seven and nine clients in years three to four. Okay? And these are at local clinics in the Sterling near the Sterling area or maybe in the DC area. And then so in the fifth year, there's no courses at all. It's an internship. So just as a medical student would go to a residency, say, they were interested in dermatology or they wanted to do family pet practice or pediatrics or or the pediatric surgery, whatever. Right? In psychology, something very similar is operative. You go to an internship specializing in whatever area you wanted to focus in on.

7:50So so, for example, say you wanted to do, working with with an older population. You wanted to get into geriatrics. Okay. So you could do an internship really specialized around geriatrics. Or you wanted to work with kids. There are, plenty of internships out there that are specifically for for children or adolescents or young adults, whatever it might be. Or if you wanted to work with a specific pathology, maybe you really wanted to do, you know, bipolar or schizophrenia, or you wanted to work with addicted populations. Whatever it might be, chances are there's probably an internship out there for you. Now we've sent students to internships basically all over the country. So, you know, it depends on where the internship is located.

8:34It could be kind of far flung as, say, California or as close as the DC area. In fact, if you wanted to stay close, that could probably be accommodated. We've had plenty of students that, have stayed close in the DC area and just they they didn't wanna move. That's okay if that's you, because there's plenty of those that are really good APA accredited schools. Excuse me. APA accredited internships, in the DC area. Okay. These are overall some, you know, discernment questions. You know? Is the PsyD the program for you? Right? Do you want to help people flourish? Are you interested in the science, you know, behind human behavior? Do you want to become an instrument of healing in the psychological sciences?

9:17Are you interested in performing psychological tests and assessments so you diagnose your clients and create a treatment plan? And are you looking to start a career as a licensed mental health professional, but specifically as a clinical psychologist? Now and, also, do you have the ability to desire to work all types of clients from more acute care to more challenging and long term client cases. So if you're hearing this and and it's resonating with you and you're thinking, well, yeah, I mean, yes to all of these, then the PsyD may very well be a good fit for you. Now how does Divine Mercy compare to other programs? Super common question. In some ways, you might say that we're quite similar, in fact.

9:56We are APA accredited, so we abide by all of the major stipulations, set forth by the APA. So things like foundations in psychological science and research, integrity and practice, assessment and diagnosis, therapeutic intervention, and professional roles. Now we're despite that overarching broad academic similarity, there's also one way in which we're decidedly distinct and unique. That is that we're a proudly Catholic, institution. We believe deeply in what it means to be human as understood by the Catholic magisterium through the sources of tradition and scripture. Right? And so we see the human person not in a reductive sense, not in the sense of, a being that is sort of just the product of mere biology, although we are certainly material.

10:46We're also spiritual. We're also a being that's made in God's own image and likeness. And for that reason, this rich theological understanding of our humanity allows us to give a lot of intelligibility to the therapeutic practice. Right? And after all, we we give therapy to to humans and not animals. Right? And so understanding our humanity as in in its in its totality in, understanding the human person as having intrinsic dignity and intrinsic worth, right, in a way that's completely ineradicable regardless of a person's histories or traumas or sins or whatever. We maintain the goodness of the human person as created by God. Now upon graduation from the doctoral program, there are so many different places in which one could work, and the these are just, you know, here there are just a few of them.

11:34Working in a psychiatric hospital. You can work with a medical team if you enjoy working with maybe the traditional medical establishment. Military establishment. So this is a big one these days. The military, unsurprisingly, has a lot of money, and they're more interested now in getting their people help. You know, a lot of veterans are out there. They're hurting with with these severe traumas from from battle, you know, PTSD, things like that. And the military is is giving a lot of money to psychologists to help their people get the the healing that they need. Perhaps the most important one of all is private practice. Private practice allows people a lot of individual flexibility, you know, to basically set your own hours, you know, treat the people you wanna treat if you wanted to specialize, say, in, whatever your field might be, if you wanted to to do, you know, schizophrenia or something like that, if you really wanted to treat the population, you could.

12:28So for that reason, you know, private practice, it's flexibility and the ability to kind of scale your own business and to be in business for yourself is attractive to a lot of people. So if there's an entrepreneur within you if there's an entrepreneur and a psychologist within you, this could be a fantastic, you know, thing to do. Because if you love business and you love healing and you love psychology, this is a great thing. If you can't stand the entrepreneurial side of it, if you don't like having to deal with, you know, marketing and selling and and and having a website, you know, if that doesn't appeal to you, that's okay. Maybe this isn't for you because there's plenty of other more institutional kind of situations that you could immerse yourself in.

13:08But for those that love, like, the idea of, you know, being in business for yourself, this can be a fantastic option. Okay. The other thing, you know, outpatient clinics, clinical facilities, as I say, institutional settings are for many others that enjoy working within a broader structure. And then also the diaspora consultation is a big one, especially for Divine Mercy alumni because we have a really sterling reputation for being a school that is committed both to excellence, in psychology and understanding all of the the nuance and the science behind modern psychology while also tethering it with a strong Catholic outlook on the human person. Right? And so for that reason, a lot of times, our psychologists get hired by seminaries or by diocese that wants to, you know, get people tested.

13:56Like, a classic example would be, people that want to apply for the seminary. You know, maybe young men are applying to be priests. They often will need psychological evaluation, in order to assess whether they can handle, the demands of a priestly ministry. And the only only people that can do that are psychologists. Okay? So that's a common thing. If you if that working with religious or working with the diocese is attractive to you, there's no better place to do that than to get trained, at Divine Mercy. Okay. So here we have a couple of our, alumni that are speaking to their experience with us. James Walovich is saying here, in our clinical psychology program, the training is focused on healing the whole person.

14:43Right? That's a big thing with us. Right? Treating, not just a symptom. Right? Because it's it's that's, can be a very reductive way of looking at a person, rather that we're treating a human, right, that has this, again, this intrinsic dignity that may be struggling or suffering with a certain pathology, a certain neurosis, but that the centerpiece is always the human person. Okay. Kristen Long. I started this study program as I serve others in a more profound way than my previous positions offered. Right? So one can obviously help people in a whole host of different professions, you know, regardless of whether, you're an accountant or, you know, an attorney or whatever. But there's a way in which the psychologist heals people in a way that, is just unlike any other profession.

15:33Right? And so, that's really kind of a special calling. And for those that are called to this work, I mean, there's hardly anything better. Okay. Timothy White. This school is not afraid to teach you what it means to be human at every level psychologically, philosophically, theologically. That's why I like it. Okay. And Kirsten Curtis, I'm so thankful for DMU. The faculty members are very supportive, and I received lots of of hands on clinical experience. Okay. Here we have, the story of William Johnson. William is a, doctoral student with us now. He is, approaching the end of the program, so he's almost done. And this is sort of about him and how he came, to be interested in treating PTSD.

16:15He came from a military background himself, so let's hear his story. Hi. My name is William Johnston, and I'm a PsyD student at Divine Mercy University. Currently approaching the end of my third year in a program. Military service runs in my family and, also both my grandparents served. My parents both served This door, the PsyD program at Divine Mercy University have opened the opportunity for me to continue to give back, to conduct research, and hopefully implement a more robust program to treat PTSD as it relates to combat veterans. CMU has certainly provided the integration that I saw in terms of my formation, both the philosophy and theology core, in addition to the psychology curriculum, has provided me growth in terms of my faith, and my role as a husband and father, and, of course, the psychological clinician.

17:27So in essence, the Catholic Christian meta model of the human person is why I'm here, both for my own sake as well as the sake of my future clients. Alright. This is another story, of a recently graduated alumna. I would say that being a student at Dwight University or TMU is one of the best thing that happens to me. I really appreciate a great support from faculty members and also classmates. I have gained a great deal of knowledge in all aspect of clinical practice, research, and also professional development. DMU not only provides student with strong academic skills, but also prepares them for a career in psychology. I personally benefit from mentorship with academic adviser and clinical supervisors.

18:32As a person, what I most appreciate from DMU is that its mission help broaden my perspectives in understanding a human person through the lens of Catholicism. Catholic principle, especially in hope, love, and faith are very valuable and certainly helped me become a better clinician. Alright. We have one more, story. This is the story of Isaiah Lamb. Isaiah was a Catholic seminarian prior to enrolling with us in the doctoral program. So at at the time of the video, he was in a second year. Now he's, in his last year. He's an intern. He's out actually, now he's out with, University of St. Thomas in Minnesota helping, with college, counseling center there. So let's hear his story. I'm originally from the the state and Septic, And so I grew up there most of my life, went to school at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln.

19:44Was I studied psychology there, but I kind of intended to go to the the medical field. And then after kind of in the midst of my undergraduate, I, just that I wanted to go to the seminary the federal seminary to study with your priest. So I had this love for psychology that was kind of there, I think, from an early age, just wanting to know how people function, why they do the things that they do. And then I found myself in seminary learning all these philosophical truths about humans. One of the first course I took was philosophy of the human person, person body and soul, and that there's this profound dignity attached to to being human. We're just sent out of the seminary, returned to Nebraska with a finished up my degree.

20:31And, deciding at this point, well, I don't really wanna go into, medicine, but I do like have this desire to care for people. And I also have learned, again, like, this loss without humans and and goodness. So I took a year off. I built pipe organs for a year. I always love telling people that. I'm just doing the job. It was fun. But, ultimately, that led me I decided to then do a year of service with the homeless in Denver, an organization called Christ in the City. And there, I like to say that all the things I had been, learning about and dreaming about, psychology, philosophy, it was this incarnational experience of of encountering people on the street in this profound suffering, mental anguish, and, substance abuse, what have you.

21:24And just actually experiencing that firsthand made everything kinda clicks in there. Like, okay. I have the ability to, affect change and bring hope to people in the worst moments of their life. And so for me at that point, it was just very clear everything was starting to converge, and I felt more so that I wanted to pursue psychology. And so DMU was kinda my first choice because everything that I had been learning about kinda just, again, converged here. Right? The the psychology, the philosophy, theology. And it's just a month and perfect fit. So I applied, long story short, and that'll end. And in my second year now, and it's been absolutely more than I could have hoped for. I've had so much knowledge shoved in my brain the last year.

22:08I, like, don't even know how it's possible, but it's just been a beautiful and awesome journey. Alright. Alright. So I wanna say a quick word about our faculty. Okay. Definitely, as as this indicates, you know, distinguished faithful and pioneering group of people. To the left here is doctor Lisa Kulicki. She's our dean. She's a specialist in assessment and therapy broadly. In the middle here is doctor Diane Graves, specializing in child and developmental psychology. To the right, doctor Lena Ariana is our director of clinical training. Now these guys here at the bottom were the founding faculty members actually of our school dating back to the late nineties, early two thousands. Doctor Phil Scrofani, specializing in CBT and group therapy.

22:55In the middle of there, doctor Bill Norling, chair of child marriage and family therapy. And doctor Bits, they're to the right bottom. Really, he is such a, instrumental founding member. I mean, he's published extensively on the inter intersection and interaction between faith and psychology, theology and psychology. He recently just retired, but he is his legacy sort of endures, to this day. Now to become a psychologist in America, a doctoral degree is, of course, what required. There's about a nine to twelve month period of postdoctoral supervision. So after you finish your PsyD, there's a that period of time, you will be kind of, under a licensed clinical psychologist before you finally take your board exams.

23:42We have an imperfect but very strong, you know, ninety five percent, licensure rate from the past decade of of data. Now in terms of the outlook, right, you know, within the labor force, it's like I would put it this way. As as the data indicates, there's about a 3% average growth for most professions in America projected to the next ten years. In psychology, however, that number is twice as much, 6%. Right? What explains that? Well, there's tons of demand for this work. There's so many people out there. They're hurting. They're alone. They're isolated. They're addicted. There's the they needed a good therapist. I need people like you to answer the call, their vocation to heal and to help. Right?

24:25The other thing I would say, in addition to sort of, like, the demand side, if you look at the supply side, if you just flick an economic kind of lens here for a minute, there's limited supply of. Why? It's hard to get a. Five years of study is intense. It's rigorous. Right? So to get a PsyD puts you in a rather elite and distinguished group of people that are able to provide services that very few people can do. Right? We talked earlier about the role of testing in psychology, the, how it how psychologists can conduct testing in a way that a lot of masterful people just can't. And, you know, a lot there's nothing wrong with being a masterful therapist. They do a lot of great work for people.

25:08But if you look at it from, like, an economic side, tons of demand for this work and very limited supply means that you can make fantastic you can do very well for yourself as a psychologist. Now funding your education, it's $1,001.70 per credit for a 122 credits over five years. The full price is a $142.07 40. That does not include indirect expenses, though, things like, you know, housing, gas, food, etcetera. Many of our students do apply for and receive federal aid. Those are through a FAFSA form. Right? We also offer work study opportunities on campus. So if you want to hold down a job with us while you're a student, a graduate student, we could certainly provide you with that. And then also we have a whole bunch of scholarships that could really kind of, defray this.

25:55So this is the total cost here. I would say that most, doctoral students will not pay that full amount. You're looking more in the in the realm of one fifteen to $1.30. Right? You're looking at probably between a 10 to 20% discount from that just from scholarships and work study, things like that. So it's it's often a little bit less. The biggest scholarship by far is this one right here, the 50% off merit scholarship. Now that is competitive. It is, you know, not easy to get. We probably give out merit scholarships to three or four people a year, usually a couple 50% offs and maybe a couple of twenty five percents. So if you have a good GPA and you interview well, you're certainly, you know, in the running for this kind of thing.

26:42Otherwise, there's all these other, you know, institutional scholarships to which you could apply. I certainly encourage you to do so, but only after you've been notified of admission. Right? It's not, you know, a super great use of your time to apply for things when you're not in school. Right? So hold off on that. If you have questions about scholarships, get in touch with me. I'd be happy to chat about it. In terms of admissions requirements, we do require that everybody have at least a baccalaureate degree, so a BA or BS from a regionally accredited school. It is good if you have studied psychology, but in no way is it required. Okay? So if you studied, like, you know, something seemingly unrelated like chemistry or, you know, math or physics or something in the humanities, maybe it was English or history or whatever, it's okay.

27:32We've received applications from, students that have degrees from all over the academic spectrum. Totally fine. It's much more important that you've done well academically and that you're open to learning, interested in psychology and you can articulate to the admissions committee, you know, your interest in psychology and why you wanna be a psychologist. At least a three o GPA on a four o scale. So if you had a little bit less than that, like, maybe you had a three or excuse me. Maybe you had a two, seven, eight, nine, something like that. Get in touch with me and see what we can do. Sometimes, there are exceptions that can be made to that rule. So just contact me and see if there's something that we can do for you.

28:17Now if this is making sense, okay, the first the next step after this is the online application. Okay? Now you can find this application on our website at devonmercy.edu. There's a little teal button on the right upper right hand corner. You hit that. It says it'll apply. Hit that, and then you'll see the the applications for different programs. And there's one that says, PsyD. Right? So that would be the one. In this form, it's very data entry driven. So we're not looking at this stage for an essay or transcripts or anything like that, just data about you, like like, where you live and where you went to school. There's a couple of financial aid questions it's going to ask you. And then at the end, it will ask you for people that might potentially recommend you to the program.

29:03In there, we want either professors or work supervisors, so just the names of the people and their contact. Do know, however, and this is a common misunderstanding, that when you put the those the the, those recommenders in the form, the online form, they're not going to get contacted. Okay? So strictly speaking, you you know, you don't really need their permission at this stage. Right? Just, you know, put in their their information and go ahead and submit it. These are not gonna get contacted. It just remains between us. Right? So that's the first stage. So, again, if this is a if this sounds like it makes sense to you, then that's the first thing to do is to apply online. And then after that, then you can submit all the other stuff I mentioned sort of in passing there.

29:50So things like the essays. There are a couple of essays we will require about, you know, why do you want to be a psychologist? You know? What what makes you wanna study at Divine Mercy? What research do you imagine yourself doing in a dissertation? Right? So that's an so, again, this all happens after the online app is in. Okay? So you wanna think about that in in those stages. Okay. So after the online app, the essay, the also the resume. The resume, update that, send it in. And then I mentioned earlier about the recommendations that after the online app is submitted, then you reach out to your people and you say, hey. You know, I'm so and so. I'm applying for this ID at Divine Mercy. Would you mind recommending me?

30:33And there you include a little link, hyperlink for them to hit, and that will unveil the, recommendation form, and there they can submit it, from there. Okay. Official transcripts, of course, will need to be sent from any post secondary institution. Right? So if you went to graduate school, both you need undergraduate and graduate. If just undergraduate, then send that. Lastly, the GRE. Okay. So the GRE is indeed required. However, this is probably not the most important part of the of the overall evaluation. Right? So please don't let the GRE get in the way of you obtaining your dreams in life. Okay? So if you have test anxiety, if you're not a huge fan of, you know, standardized tests, please, don't despair, because while it is true that the faculty committee will look at the score, seldom if if is it ever sort of, like, a make or break it situation?

31:32Like, I don't know if you've ever excluded some information just because they had a low GRE. Right? So if you're worried about the GRE, let me know. We can chat about it. But move for the most part, it's something that seems to get done rather than getting it done perfectly. Okay? So that's basically how we look at it, from so, again, if you have questions, let me know. Happy to talk about it. Okay. The last thing I wanna say is the interview. Okay. So once the application is done, and by that, I mean, everything is done. All the things that I mentioned. Right? The online app, the, all the other stuff. Right? So, like, the the essay, the GRE, the resume, transcripts, recommendations, all that.

32:14All that's in. Okay? Then I will submit your application to the dean for review, and then, hopefully, she'll approve you for an interview. Now we only have two interviews left in this admission cycle. We've already had the one in November. The most imminent and up upcoming one is in January, January 24. This is a very popular interview. Okay? And so popular, in fact, it's already filled starting to fill up. So and that may sound like a far, you know, far away from now, January or in late November, but it's actually, you know, not that far away. And and and like I say, you know, we're getting plenty of applicants already. So, if this is making sense, then you don't wanna delay. You wanna get it in so you can secure your spot in the interview, itself.

33:02Right? Because January is the last chance that people can be considered for a merit scholarship. If you get in into the March interview, that's great. But at that point, you're too late to receive merit scholarship consideration. So, again, January, super popular. It's filling up, and it's the last chance for merit scholarship consideration. Okay. So that's all I have for everybody. I would do wanna take a look at the chat box to see what questions people have, so bear with me for just a quick second. Alright. Sylvester, do you have to defend a dissertation within the PsyD program? Yes. You do. This is normally done toward the ends of, you know, your time, with us. So, usually, people defend dissertations in years four or five.

33:56Sometimes, you know, you you might go to an internship, say, wherever that might be, and then you travel back here to defend. That happens all the time. Super common. Right? But, yeah, the the the dissertation, you're expanding the knowledge of of whatever, area within psychology you want to, expand, and that sort of comes with the territory of doing a doctorate. And it's it's a wonderful thing. It's it's it's a challenging thing, but it's it's immensely rewarding. Alright, Catherine. Oh, you're welcome, Catherine. Yeah. God bless you as well. Christopher? Yep. You're welcome, Christopher. Happy to help. Let's see. What else am I missing here? I think there are some other people who have questions.

34:42Q and a. Louis. Okay. Louis says, do you admit international students? If yes, can one enter PsyD without having masters? Yes to both of those things. Yes. We certainly accept international students. We've received people from all over the world. There are a few, peculiarities that that attend an international applicant application. For example, let's say, you know, your degree program that you did, you know, didn't have an American GPA. We will need an evaluation of that, of that transcript, right, to be distilled into an American GPA. So, get in touch with me, Louis, you know, because we do process international applicants. There's just a couple again, there's a couple other things that we can talk about.

35:32But, yes, the answer is absolutely. And then yes to the second question. Absolutely, you can apply without a master's. It is a fallacy to think that you need a master's to apply to the doctoral program like our own. Are there doctoral programs out there that require a master's? Absolutely. We are not one of them. Okay? So if you just have a, you know, a bachelor's and you know that you wanna get a PsyD, there's no specific reason unless, like, you know, your GPA is just, like, really bad. Apart from that, you know, if you did fine in school, then you should just apply to society because otherwise, you're wasting time and money spent in a master's program if you just get into the doctorate, right, and move forward with your life.

36:17Right? So it's it makes a lot more sense financially and with your just with time to just get the doctorate done. Okay. Thank you. That's a great question there, Louis. I'm in the light there. Okay. Sylvester, do you have to defend a district? Oh, I'm sorry. I already answered that. Gregson. Oh, yep. You're welcome. Absolutely. Happy that this was, helpful and informative to you. That's all I have, everybody. Let me I wanna make the last the last chance to make sure I didn't miss anyone. Yep. That's it. Okay. Good. So oh, wait. One just came in. Lirio, hello. Is this a cohort program, or how often are the cohort classes offered? Good question. This is a cohort program. So the way it works is every year, you're in a new cohort.

37:10So it's an annual start in the fall. There's no spring start. There's no summer start. Everybody starts every year in the fall. So every year is a cohort that ranges between twelve and seventeen ish students. Right? So it's an intentionally small, group of people, because you get lots of personal attention, with our faculty. And we don't wanna get too much bigger than that because it was sort of, you know, a compromise sort of the way that we've set this up academically. Right? So that's how it is. It's a cohort system and an annual on an annual basis. Okay. I think that's I think that's everybody. Did I miss anybody? Double check. No. I don't think so. Okay. Wonderful. Well, I hope this was helpful to everybody.

37:59Again, if you have any questions whatsoever, get in touch with me. I'd be happy to talk to you, and explore more about this ID program. Goodbye. God bless.