SDC Webinar with special guest Janet Scanlan

0:06Alright. So welcome everybody to the Divine Mercy University spiritual direction certificate program, webinar rather. My name is Greg Shapiro. I'm the admissions adviser for the SDC program. And, today, we're gonna be looking at the details and what to expect in the program, and we'll go through some slides just as a visual aid. But with me today is Janet Scanlon. She is a faculty member. She's also alumni, and it's just a pleasure having her with me. So, Janet, if you could just introduce yourself for a moment and share a bit about yourself, that would be great. Great. Thanks, Greg. It's good to be here. Hi, everybody. Thanks for being here. Just a little bit about me. I am a, middle aged Marylander here.

0:55I grew up in the Midwest, but I've been in Maryland here for about thirty years raising a family. Mom of four, grandmom of five and counting. Have been in spiritual direction myself for close to eight to ten years and really felt the nudge, to start in the program and had the glorious benefit of being we call ourselves the pioneers. I think they call us the first cohort to go through the program, but, I had been, home raising kids. I had been doing a lot of ministry work and really just felt a nudge that God was asking something more. So I kinda stepped in into the unknown. It was a brand new program, but what a blessing it was in my life and the friendships that it's, we've made. And the spiritual growth has just been phenomenal, and, I'm here to recommend it wholeheartedly.

1:49Great. Excellent. Thank you, Janet. So, again, we're gonna cover all the details as we're going through the webinar. But before we dive into all the information, I would like to just start by asking you a few questions, because you you have a lot of experience with this program. And like you said, you're the you're you're part of the first cohort back in 2019, I believe it was. Correct. So, so that's great. The first thing that I was curious about, if you could share, what drew you specifically to this program? There are other spiritual direction programs out there. But what why DMU's spiritual direction program in particular? Yeah. That's a great question. And when I started back in January 2019, there were several programs up and running that were credible, and I looked at them all.

2:40Some were closer to home. Some some were not. The thing that drew me to this program, several things. One was primarily the flexibility. It was online. It was, you know, in your own home at your own pace, but there was also this peer learning community. So I was in classes with, very holy, wonderful, talented people, men and women, lay and consecrated the religious. It was a beautiful community, and I had had no experience with online learning. So it was a little intimidating, but I was pleasantly surprised at how easy they really made it. One of the other things that really drew me to the program was that I knew people who had gone through just DMU, the psychology programs, and the counseling programs, and I felt very strong that that they were teaching truth.

3:32You know, I grew up, kinda came of age in that post Vatican two era where some some things in the church were a little, foggy for for in many ways, and I wanted truth. I wanted to know what I was getting was the truth. I wanted solid church teaching and and to know that the psychology even that I was learning was going to be, vetted. And the DMU community with the, background of the legionary priest and just the Regnum Christie people that were involved, I felt that that it was a a perfect match, and and I couldn't have been more pleased. Great. Very good. I I I've noticed that too that I think for a lot of people, their attraction to the program, one is the flexibility that it's online, and it's asynchronous.

4:19So they can log in to their classes, their modules at whatever time works in their schedule. But on top of that, just that that human development component really sets us apart from so many other programs, and it really does equip them for when they're working with different directees, including those that might have maybe a a background within their own trauma or mental health and how to speak to that with empathy and as as spiritual directors, not as therapists, but with that empathy that's really required for that. So Absolutely. The human part of it is so key. Right? Where all of our life is relationships. And just having the DMU, the therapist and the counselors and the, the side e's teaching and counseling and walking with us was so huge, just in in the relationships that we have with our directees, really in so many of our relationships just in life in general.

5:21So it was really invaluable. Yeah. Great. Very good. So along with that, I mean, what has been your experience as a student, because now you're faculty. But what was your experience like? You shared a little bit of that, but just generally, when you were in the program in the very first cohort, how has that experience been for you? Well, I tell you, all of us who stepped into it back when it was brand new, we're a little bit nervous. To to say the truth, most of us had not been in school for many years. Mhmm. So putting a virtual backpack on was a little bit intimidating, but, it was nice to to be together with others who were stepping into that online program for the first time. So it was a little bit intimidating, but quickly, it became and and the word I I'll use is exhilarating.

6:08It was so amazing to go back to school and to realize that, wow, I can do this from my own home on my own schedule. And just this incredible world opened up of online learning, which was exhilarating and confidence building and really kinda reaffirming too. And I think people who are on the on the webinar right now, they're being called in some way to at least think about it, to pursue it. Right? They're discerning. And it does when you step into it. It's kind of reaffirming and knowing that God has has been kind of pulling you, in this path for a while. We don't always understand all the twists and turns, but it was very confirming that he had been preparing those of us who joined and myself included that, yep, it it's time.

6:56Also, I I should say that it's a little bit humbling and humbling in a good way because it, you know, it's a lot of personal growth, a lot of self awareness, which is, you know, all growth is is painful, but you'll take a good long look at yourself and the narrative of your own life. And the growth is astounding, but it's it's a little bit humbling to kinda step into that and think, wow. Can I do this? Can I can I be back in school, you know, in my in my early sixties with people from all over who, is a little bit intimidating, but in the end, exhilarating and competence building and just really reaffirming? Yeah. That's great. I'll even use that as just to piggyback on what you just said as as a an opportunity to share with all the guests that, you know, if if there are any questions about moving forward, as you're in it, any sort of hiccups you're running into, whatever those might be, I always encourage the students that if, you know, if they're running into whatever curve balls life is throwing at them to reach out to us as, as their support, whether it's with the staff, with student success, with their faculty, their instructors, let us know what's going on.

8:09I found that for many of them, there could be maybe ways that in which we can help you in succeeding and thriving in the program. I'll even just use one quick example. I I I was working with a with an applicant back in, this past fall, and, she was ready to start. She really wanted to start for the fall, but she called me up and said, Greg, I think I need to defer because the week that I start class is also the week that I'm taking my daughter to college. And so it's going to be very difficult for me to handle that first week while also being present for my daughter. And so I asked her if she asked if she mentioned this to her instructor yet, and she said, not yet. You know, I didn't plan on it.

8:56I just figured I should defer. And so I I said, why not reach out to your instructor just to let her know, just in case? And so she did, and the instructor was very accommodating. She gave her the information, I believe a week earlier or two weeks earlier, whatever it was. But, they worked together to make sure that she had the content needed so that she can just work ahead so that she could be there for her daughter but still starting the program when she wanted to. So, again, I just use that as an example. It's always case by case, but whatever we can do within our capability to accommodate, the the student to to see their growth and their their thriving in the program, we're we always want to do what we can.

9:41And I'll echo that as well. When I started in the in the first class, the SDC 100, through kind of a glitch in emails and things, I didn't even know that I was accepted until about a week after the program started. So by that point, you're a little bit nervous already. Mhmm. My professor, doctor Murphy, couldn't have been more kind and more accommodating and more gracious and just so, so uplifting and just kinda helped me kind of wiggle my way, up to where everybody else was. And it was really kind of that first taste of, wow, they really do care about you here as a person, and know that it's not easy for all of us to kinda step into a a new platform and a new venue. But, yeah, they couldn't be more accommodating.

10:27Great. Good. So now that your faculty as a faculty member, as an instructor, what do you what do you enjoy most of all about teaching this subject matters with students? So I should say that my part as a in on the faculty is I'm helping with the residencies. So part of the program, as you well know, we have two four day residencies, over in Virginia. Wonderful on-site, and they're they're you finally get to meet the people that you've been in classes with. It's a lot of hands on. It's a real growth, experience. And so I've been helping with those predominantly with the the first one, the SDC 300, which is kind of that midway course. It's kind of the bread and butter of our course, and and just such a great course.

11:14But one of my favorite parts is really watching what god does in people's lives. You know, you kind of step into this a little bit cautiously thinking, I really don't know if I can do this. I'm not sure if this is where the lord wants me. And boy oh boy, once you take that first step in, people get comfortable. And I see that I just see the personal growth that happens in these four day, residencies that's really amazing. You know, people are nervous to be together. They're excited. They're, a little bit cautious, but the joy that happens, the the healing in people's lives that hasn't even been planned, personally, you really get to know these people and kinda get to know a little bit of their stories and, honestly, just the explosion of grace in people's lives because of the program.

12:05That's probably been my my favorite thing as a faculty member. Yeah. That's great. I it's interesting because when the students come here to campus for their residencies, the first thing I'll mention that even though it's online, there's still a camaraderie between the students even before the residencies happen. They still have that community that you would wanna see in a program. But it's it's especially interesting when you see them come together for the residencies because it's basically their first time actually getting to see each other face to face even though they've known each other through the, through the discussion boards and going through the program together. But it it always seems like they're like you said, they're basically coming into their own.

12:55They're now putting the skills of knowledge into practice in this sort of live setting. And I when I was speaking with a student, she mentioned how it it gave her so much more confidence that she's like, I can actually do this. I can actually speak it out loud with people. And she felt way more, I guess, reaffirmed in that God was calling her to this ministry because of that experience. Absolutely. The residencies are so energizing. You know, the first one, you're a little bit timid, and we had the, the benefit of the the first one that I went to was back in it was before COVID. And so we were in person, and it was lovely. You're finally meeting these people that you have been in classes with, and you really get to see them in real life, and you get you get to hug them, and you get to shake hands, and they're real life people, and it's wonderful.

13:46And our second, residency was when was after COVID, so it was virtual. And even that, the learning was still phenomenal, you know, because you you think, well, but we're not together, but it still works. So all the virtual of the of the classes and that was kind of a a hesitation of mine in in the beginning thinking, how well does this work virtually? And, you know, now the whole world is virtual. Right? But back pre COVID, it was a little bit intimidating. I really wanna be in classes with these people. But, you know, the virtual classroom, it really does work. And then when you get to meet the people in in person, it's it's just the best of both. So Excellent. And, I mean, you may have already answered this, but just your experience either as an instructor or as a student, what has been what have you found to be the most helpful thing about this program?

14:43Wow. Things I mentioned, confidence building, reaffirming. You kinda you need to sit on that fence for a while thinking, lord, is this what you're calling me to? But, boy, once you once you kinda put that car in in in out of you take it out of park, right, and put it into drive and the lord starts moving you, it it just feels right. And and that was reaffirming. But I tell you, probably for me, the most helpful, has been just self knowledge, self awareness, and that's a benefit to anybody at any time in their lives. Right? But you take a good long look at your life, and you look at things like, how do I listen to people? You know, I think we all think we're we go into it thinking, well, I am a good listener, but boy oh boy through the program and the skills from the the therapist and things, you really realize, wow.

15:34I could be a better listener. And you look at things like, what are what am I attached to? Am I empathetic? What are my fears? What are my triggers? Right? We all have this human side of us that we're bringing in, but it's that growth in self knowledge and self awareness that you see yourself. You you know where you're at. You you improve. You've you've given yourself some tools now to work on your personal self, and and it deepens all the relationships of your life just in knowing more so who you are, how you're made. The strengths and weaknesses that God has given you, right, are all part of our story, but I can't overemphasize those human relating skills. You know, those come in handy whether it's with your husband or your grandkids or the neighbors.

16:20And we all need to be better at communicating. Right? We live in a virtual world, and and people sometimes relationships, we're not as good at is putting the time and the energy into relationships. You know? Am I a good listener and things? So it's probably that self awareness and the self knowledge. It was really, just a beautiful gift. Yeah. You know? And I'll even just just, along with that, I I've you know, one thing that we tell students, especially those that are in their discernment phase, is we point out to them that the first three courses, which are very beneficial for spiritual direction, they're also designed to help people in, in coming to a conclusion in their discernment phase.

17:08And so now and then, we'll have students that start the program. And by the end of the third course, they've actually discerned out, and they've realized that god has called them to a different ministry. Mhmm. But the benefit of the the benefits and the fruits of what they've learned for those three courses are still applied within those other ministries. So it's not like it's been all for naught, but rather it's actually given them more clarity, and they can take what they've learned in those three courses and apply it in this new direction that god has pointed them to. Oh, amen. I've even told people just I've met in indirection or just in in in my other work in my ministries that some of the courses are worth just taking just for the course, whether it's auditing a certain course on, SCC 200 is a lot about attachments, and we all are attached to things that some we don't even know about.

18:00But just even auditing that class tells you a whole lot about yourself. It's kinda like being in being in in spiritual direction or in in therapy kind of for throughout the whole program because it's so much growth in self knowledge and self awareness and why we do what we do. It's really kind of amazing what we can learn about ourselves even even later in life. Right? We're always kind of a mystery to ourselves, but it's just a beautiful gift to be able to say, oh, that that's how I am. That's how God made me, and and and I can always do better. So it's a real gift. Yeah. So excuse me. So along with that, I mean, you shared your favorite parts about the program and the the a lot of the fruits and benefits from it.

18:46Looking back, especially your experience as a student, what is what have you found to be perhaps the most challenging parts of the program, as you were going through it? Well, that's a good question. Because looking back, it it's always easy. You you kinda just remember the good. So so thinking about, what might have been challenging you know, honestly, in the beginning, I think for a lot of us and depending on the the age of people when they start the program, the computer stuff can be a little bit intimidating to people. Right? Can I do this? Can can I figure this out? And the answer is yes. If I can do it, anybody can do it. And the help that you get is wonderful, but it's a little bit intimidating, right, if you've been out of school for many years as I had.

19:30So that was a little bit intimidating. And and maybe something else kind of on the same lines as being challenging is taking that good long look at yourself and thinking, okay. You notice people who, I'll say, don't listen well. So one of the keys of the whole program in spiritual direction in life in general, you know, having a spiritual life is, can I listen? Am I able to listen to God? Am I able to listen to God in others? What are my listening skills? Right? And, again, we need those in marriage and and parenting and all those things. But once you get some of these tools, which are great gifts, you do notice things like, oh, that spouse of mine, I wish they were a better listener. Or or you look at yourself and think, lord, am am I really listening to you?

20:16So it's it's it's a it's a good and and a bad that you see, yes. I want some skills, and I and I am learning to be a a better listener and more empathetic. But, boy, I'm I'm not I'm not perfect, and I really notice when other people kinda let me down too. So it's kind of a a a funny situation. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I I've, and I like to just share with each student that I speak with that just like any program, there's always going to be obstacles and getting to the very end is, you know, it's it's always a, I hate to say fight, but I'll I'll say fight for the lack for lack of a better term because you're you're really pushing forward and you're putting effort and you're committing time and and and energy into the program.

21:05But, I mean, you gain so much out of it and you gain the knowledge. You're you're, you're confident in being a spiritual director and serving others. And I think the other thing is, if God has called you to this, then who are we to say no if we wanna be obedient? For a lot of people, they they they come to this because they have heard God say, now is your time to move forward into this. And I'll I'll speak to one more thing that you mentioned, which was just the, technology, that hurdle. Now and then, I'll speak with students, and they'll say, you know, I'm 61 years old or I'm I'm 70 years old, and so I'm not going to be, the same as the other you know, the the 22 year olds that are in the program.

21:53And I I chuckle a little bit because I I'd say the majority of the students I've seen come into this or maybe and some of them are in their thirties and forties, but I'd say the majority I've seen come in are maybe 50, 60, even in their seventies, and many of them are retiring into spiritual direction. And I think the reason why I've actually put a lot of thought into it and just speaking with many of them. I think for many of them, spiritual direction is there's there's benefit to having life experience when offering spiritual direction, and that's something that God gives each person as they're continuing, you know, later on in life. And that's something they can offer to others, not just with the skills and knowledge that they're learning in the program, but just their personal experience.

22:43And I think that's something I think that's why so many people that are maybe 50 plus go into this program and why they're so attracted to it. Absolutely. And don't underestimate. I'll I'll talk to the people out there, on the webinar. Don't underestimate that the wisdom that you have in the years that you've lived. I mean, that's priceless. Right? You can't put a price tag on that. And I think that's why God does call people kind of in those middle years. You've, you know, you've had your career, your first career. You've raised some kids. You've got a lot of of of street smarts and and wisdom, and you've been paying attention to the Lord working in your life. And it's just kind of a a the next step, a continuation, but it's a really beautiful flowering of you know, you you step into it thinking, okay.

23:29Well, I have a little bit of of wisdom, and and god is calling me, but, boy, then he just kind of overwhelms you. Right? He he he won't be outdone in in generosity. And you think you're kind of giving, and the things that you get from the program are just really amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, those of us that are receiving spiritual direction, we really value that. That's something that we appreciate from spiritual directors. Just the fact that they do have that life experience so that they can they can help help us wrap our our our heads around what god is speaking to us because they've gone through that in their lives as well. Yeah. That accompaniment, you know, that pope Francis is always talking about.

24:13It really is is key. You know? Again, the the director is really the lord. Right? The holy spirit. But it's that accompanying somebody in that beautiful place of of with their relationship with the Lord is is a gift for for us as directors to be able to say, wow. I'm gonna walk with you. And and the vulnerability and the growth that happens is just kind of amazing to everybody in the room, at the sessions of how god shows up and kinda works in people's lives. So it's a real, it's a real joy. Yeah. Great. Now, Janet, you may have already answered this, but I'll I'll ask just in case if there's more to it. But what has surprised you most of all about from your experience in the program? Well, you know, some silly little things.

25:02How quickly it goes, really, honestly, and how how much you do know once you kinda get into it. But I think probably overall is is how this program touches all areas of your life. So, you know, I think when you step into it, you think, okay. Is is God calling you to be a spiritual director? And great. That's certainly a part of it. But the classes and the knowledge and the wisdom and the experiences, really all parts of your life. Right? I had a wise priest tell me at one point that, you know, everything connects on the spiritual level. And and when we when you go through the program and the classes and the and the learning, you know, right, you're going up a learning curve, it it benefits all of your relationships in in your life.

25:49You're not just a better listener. You're kind of a more a more whole person. You've paid attention to the Lord. You've gotten some human skills, some some narrative. You worked on your spiritual life, and it touches all parts of your life. So it's not just your when you're wearing that spiritual director hat, it's really it it's all aspects of of your life, kind of that total person. And that's kind of a beautiful thing, right, to to be that that wholeness and that harmony of all the things that we've been given in the class that you can see them working in in places in your life where you you never would have thought that that skill could translate into the talks that you're given at church on a Tuesday morning or something like that.

26:32But it does. Just the skills and the wisdom, it can all comes together and really affects all of your relationships. Yeah. I mean, that makes a lot of sense to me. And I I remember last summer when we had a cohort here for the residency. So I like to just have little chats during lunch with the students just to learn about them and get to see how they're doing in the program. And I spoke with one, and I asked her what she found so so beneficial about the program so far. She's been going through it. And one thing she mentioned, and I didn't think of this, but it made a lot of sense, was how her relationship with her own spiritual director was even deeper deeply enriched by her going through this.

27:20She got to know a lot more about herself. She got to know how to better communicate with her spiritual director. She got to understand a little bit more about the questions that her spiritual director was asking her because she now had a better sense of where these questions were coming from. So it it enriched that relationship. It allowed her to receive direction in a richer way. And and for that, I think that's also even more so preparing her to to serve so well as a spiritual director to others. So that's one of the other great things that I've seen with the students that have been going through this. And I think everybody that I know that goes through this says that exact same thing. I am so much, a better directee, because I've I've sat on that other side.

28:11I've I've paid attention. I've I've kinda walked in their shoes, and it does. It makes you appreciate the process and kind of how it works. It it it gives you some spiritual awareness that you didn't have before. It helps you to understand the the benefits of the vulnerability. Right? That that sometimes it's very hard and, you know, you kinda have to tiptoe into that. But it it makes you a little bit more honest and open to be able to say that, you know, if I can't share with my director, I'm probably not gonna be able to share these things with the Lord. And it kinda opens up that place in you to be able to be kind of a little bit more vulnerable because you see the process that God that God wants to shed light wherever it is, and it does.

28:54It makes you a a better directee. One of the other areas that I notice it in is my husband and I do a lot of work with marriage prep. We have for about thirty years. And, you know, every probably once a month for a weekend, we'll do talks, whether it's communications or temperaments or or, giving and receiving love, and that's kind of been our ministry. But taking this class and being kinda certified as a spiritual director has really helped in the talks that we give, and it's so interesting to see the the young people coming in who you know, anybody born after 1997 are these digital natives, I think they call them. And, you know, their whole life has been technology. And it's relationships don't come, I'll say, as easily because they're they're tied to a lot of that the equipment.

29:41Right? The social media, the phones. And so relationships, there's some groundwork that needs to be laid in relationships. And my, experience in the program has helped me to kinda better, help them learn about relationships, learn about the vulnerability and the honesty and the triggering and all those human things that happen in all of our relationships, but particularly people young people and people preparing for marriage. It's just huge, and they're so grateful for the listening tools, and understanding relationships. Right? Because all of our life is is built on relationships, and that's been a very beautiful gift in my life as well. Great. Very good. You know, one one other question I have for you, and then I I'd love to just share all the details with students.

30:31But, again, thank you so much for answering these questions for me. So what advice would you give to every every guest that we have here? Anybody that's looking into this program, what advice would you give them as they're looking into this program? Well, first thing I'd say, obviously, is to pray. And I'm sure they all are. If they've gotten this far, if they're coming to a webinar, they're feeling that nudge, pray about it. Right? The Lord if if there's that desire there, the Lord's gonna answer it. He wants to answer it. So pray. But maybe my next tip would be just take the first next step. Right? There's nothing there's no harm in taking a first class or in filling out an application. But sometimes we, we can discern for a long time in life.

31:17I And, you know, we hate to get to the end of our life and and have those regrets. I, you know, woulda, coulda, shoulda. I wish I'da done this. I wish I'da tried this. And the worst that can happen, you take a class. Maybe you find that god has called you someplace different. Great. What you've learned in the class, the friendships that you've made, the connections, the doors that god has opened that you couldn't have possibly imagined wouldn't have happened if you hadn't said yes. So I'd say maybe take that take that next first step and don't spend too much time discerning. Right? Because some some of us, myself included, there there are professional fence sitters. Right? You can sit on that fence and kinda go, oh, it's not perfect.

31:55I don't really know. I I wish I could have that whole path kind of lit up for me. And who is it? I think it's John Henry Newman that talks about he just the Lord just puts the light on the next step sometimes. And maybe this is the next step. The fact that people are here listening to the webinar, they're feeling something. Great. Take that next first step. Pray about it. Maybe apply. Maybe you talk to somebody in the program, but maybe you just kinda start out and say, okay, lord. I'm gonna move in this direction until I feel you're calling me someplace else. And, again, he's not gonna give you all the steps. He's not gonna take you all the way through everything and give you that crystal ball of what life is gonna be like five years down the road as a spiritual director, but he is gonna take you step by step through the program.

32:38So I'd say, do yourself a favor. It's so much personal growth and so much self awareness that you can't go wrong. So pray maybe take the first next step. Yeah. Great. And I'll I'll even share for all the the guests here that, and we'll go through all the details. But for those of you that did wanna take that next step of applying, we can waive the fee for you. We'll make sure it's a free application, and and I'll I'll share with you how we can do that. So, with that, why don't we just go through all the details of the program? That way you know exactly for all the guests, you'll know exactly what to expect and how the program works. And, Janet, if if you have any any thoughts, any insight into the details as I'm going through it, please feel free to weigh in on that.

33:29That would be helpful. And also for all the guests, as question as questions are coming to you as I'm going through the information, drop those questions in the q and a or in the chat, and Janet and I are here to answer those questions for you. So, you know, we talked about the the mission of the school, what makes this program so unique, and, just preparing students for the capability to serve as spiritual directions. But looking at the activity as a student, so we had mentioned that it's, there are six courses in the program, and they're done online. So there's flexibility there. And they're also done asynchronously. For many students, I ask, you know, are you familiar with the term synchronous versus asynchronous?

34:18Many of them, this is their first time learning about this phrase, but I think it's probably been more common since so many things are now done online. Synchronous would be an example of that is where you have a group of students that are logging into Zoom for their class. So we typically imagine them all on screen with their instructor and their meeting at a specific time for a certain amount of time, together. In this program, it's a little bit differently. It's done asynchronously. So this means as a student, you can log into your class at any time that works within your schedule. And, there might be some moments where you have, groups where you're you're meeting at certain times that you all coordinate with, but, officially, the the formatting is done asynchronously.

35:05So that means you can log in to your classes at whatever time works for you. You'll still have your assignments, your modules. You'll still have deadlines for your assignments, but it's up to you as far as when you wanna sit down and attack, that work. So the other thing is that while all the six courses are done online, there are also a couple of face to face components. One would be the, two four day residencies, and we'll go into the logistics of that in a moment. The other would be the sixty practicum hours. And this is actually very, I think, beneficial part because this is where it's boots on the ground where you get to now serve as a spiritual director as you're completing the program.

35:53And in the program, we're preparing students on how to make those connections, how to find directees to work with so you're not left stranded. But this is a great way for you to now begin this process, start your ministry as a spiritual director and working with people. And you'll also have your instructors that will serve as supervisors. So you can, you'll you'll talk with them about your successes. You'll go through how the spiritual direction is going, what you're going what sort of things are coming up in that. Of course, leaving names out because of confidentiality. But, this way, they can help navigate you through this process. And if there are any hiccups taking place during the during the, practicum, they can help navigate you through that as well.

36:40So the next thing would be, these are the six courses I just wanted to share with you very briefly. And, these are sequential, so you're going in order, and you're taking one course at a time. Each course lasts for eight weeks. And I'll just point out for a moment, and you can look at the on the website, we have the course descriptions as well. But I'll point out for a moment, SDC 300, the third course, and SDC 500, the, the fifth course. Janet mentioned that her role is primarily working with residencies for 300. But this is where the the first residency happens, and that happens during week seven of those eight weeks in that course. And, I just I I I think looking at the time frame, that's about nine or ten months from when you start the program.

37:36So there's a lot of time between when you begin and when your first residency falls. So that gives you time to let your families know, let your employer know, let your superior know, whoever it is, so that you can prepare for those four days on campus. In the fifth course, that's where the second residency falls as well. But that also that that residency serves as a launch into your practicum hours. So your practicum begins during the fifth course. So, again, you'll we'll make sure that you have plenty of time to prepare for that process as well. Now we talked a lot about the residencies, but I'll I'll just share for a moment about how this works. So, again, they happen during the third and fifth course.

38:23They happen on campus. We're in Sterling, Virginia. If you're not familiar with the area, I live in DC, and it takes me about thirty five minutes to get from home to campus. So that's around the distance. But we're about a five minute drive from Dulles Airport. Just to give you an idea, when I'm on campus and I need to go to the post office, I'll just go to Dulles because it's the nearest one, and it it's the most convenient. So it's right around the corner. So for those of you that would be flying in, you'd be coming in from Dulles. There'd be a a, shuttle that would pick up, pick you up and take you to, your hotel. And students are lodged at a Marriott hotel just around the corner. It's, it's walking distance, so we keep everything in very close proximity.

39:11You know, one other thing I'll mention, by the way, is now and then I'll get questions from students, and they'll ask this is them speaking. What if I can't make the residency because I have a wedding or I have a surgery that's planned or, you know, some other, event that's planned that's going to happen during these residencies. If something like that happens, I always tell them that's fine. You know? Life still goes on. And if it's something like that and, you know, making sure that you you're at your son or daughter's wedding or whatever, you know, surgeries are very important. If it's something like that, take a leave of absence. You can always pause the program if you absolutely need to.

39:54It just means that you're pausing it. You're not withdrawing. But then when you're ready to jump back in, you would get reinstated, and you'd pick up from where you left off. And there are residencies happening at every, every term, So it's not like you'll have to wait until a full year from when you were initially going to do it. You just pick up from where you left off. Anything you wanted to add, Janet? Yeah. The flexibility, as you mentioned, is so key. I know many people who would start the program. Something happened. A child had something happened, as you mentioned, a wedding or an illness. And and the flexibility in being able to stop, pause, as you say, and start back up, I know many people who have had to take advantage of that, and it's fine.

40:42You end up then having friends in in two different cohorts when you restart again. So it's a it's a win win, but it's a great gift to be able to pause when you need to. Yeah. Great. Very good. Appreciate you sharing that. So the time commitment. I know this is a big part for many of you, making sure that you can actually commit to it while you still have your responsibilities and your, you know, being there for your family or being there within your ministry or whatever it may be. So just looking at that a little bit deeper, we had mentioned that you're only taking one course per eight week term. Along with that, usually, this isn't set in stone, but the the courses are designed to take somewhere between six to nine hours per week more or less.

41:34So I would suggest if you're looking into this, see if that's something that you can do and maybe being on the more conservative side, if you could spare nine hours per week. If there's a lot going on, see where you can, make that time. Another thing is just having your family, having your community, whatever it is. See if there's any sort of, support with that. I always tell students that if they're concerned about, you know, the the responsibilities they have, but if they just needed a little bit of help in order to make sure those things were covered while still being able to go through the program, ask that community that you're surrounded by just so that you can make this possible. Another thing worth mentioning is that there are breaks between every course that you're taking.

42:23So once you complete an eight week course, you go into a break that lasts between six to ten weeks. It depends on where we are in the academic calendar as far as, how many weeks it will be. But these breaks have been very beneficial for students on for a number of reasons. One is that it gives students the ability to take a step back and reflect on the content that they're learning and just better absorb that information. Another thing is that the major holidays happen during the breaks, so you're not having to juggle Thanksgiving week or Christmas week or holy week with assignments, but rather you can just put your focus into those joyful occasions and those moments where we need to, reflect on God more.

43:10And the last thing is that it it's a pay as you go program, and we'll look at the cost in a moment. But the way that payment works is students are paying course by course. And so having these breaks gives students a chance to come up for air to breathe more and replenish their funds as they're going through it. So it makes it even more affordable for them. And so for the whole program with the breaks and the courses together, it ends up taking about two years to complete. So looking at the cost, and I'll also preface, there could be room to reduce this cost that you're looking at per course. And if you wanted to talk about that with me one on one, I'd be happy to go through the details. But as a baseline, the cost per course is 778.

44:04Again, you're paying that one at a time. You're not having to pay one well, you're not paying for the two years and one lump sum, but you're paying as you go. So it's $7.78 per course. And then per residency, it's 1,000, and that'll cover your lodging. It'll cover your meals. It'll cover your materials. So the only thing that you're responsible for would be your travel. Oh, you know, another thing I'll mention, the way that the funding goes just to to carry on with that is, students are are invoiced about, I think it's about a week or two before each class begins. And then you have thirty days to pay that balance, but that gives you time to if you wanted to pay it in increments within those thirty days or if you wanted to just pay it all upfront within those thirty days, either one would be fine.

45:00Now as far as applications go, and we have a start date coming up. We have three start dates per year. Right now, we're looking at the summer term, and that's going to start on May 24. And I'll share very briefly. This is the perfect time to apply for it for a number of reasons. And one of them being that the sooner you apply, that that would give you more room to enter into the program being accepted earlier, but more so that'll give you more time to do your orientation. And I found that students that complete their orientation in advance, they're able to thrive way more in their first class because they've been able to take their time with it. They don't have to sit down for the three hours at a time.

45:46They can break it up into, you know, half hours during the day. And then, also, they're not having to juggle the the orientation and their first course right at the very beginning, but they've already gotten through that that orientation. So that's the best advice I could give someone that's looking to start. I guarantee you, you're going to feel way more comfortable if you get that start that step completed early. But when it comes to the application, it's fairly simple. There's only three steps, and the first step is the application form. And it's a short form. It's not a a standard college application. This is something you could probably get through within ten minutes, and we can waive the fee for you.

46:30There's a code at the bottom in that red box. So if you're looking to apply and if you'd like to do that, you can go to the website and apply, or you can reach out to me. I'd be happy to send you all the information. So the application would be the first step. The second step would be getting your recommendations. So one would need to come from your spiritual director that you've been working with, you rather, you have to have been working with a spiritual director for at least a year within the past three years. But if you currently have a spiritual director, then one would have to come from your spiritual director. And then another one would come from your pastor, or your superior, whichever it may be.

47:14And the third one could come from pretty much anyone that knows you well, with the exception of it being a family member. So it could be a friend. It could be someone at your parish, in your apostolic, a colleague, really anyone that knows you well. And then once we have these first two steps done, the final step would be a group interview. And this happens over Zoom. It would be you along with a few other applicants, and you're not there to compete for a seat. You're just there to, to demonstrate the two faculty members that will be facilitating it your your, your interpersonal skills and your listening skills and just a chance for them to get to know you more. And it it only goes for an hour.

48:00And then once that's done, they'll come to a conclusion on your admission status, and we would let you know the very next day. So very short application process, one that takes people typically one to two weeks to complete. Very simple. And, again, I'm also here to support you through that process should you have any questions. So that brings us to the end. This is my contact information. So, again, if you have any questions about the program, if you wanted to go through this information with me one on one, I'm here for that. I'm always happy to answer any questions that I can. And so with that, I'll I'll open up the floor to all of you that are here to learn about the program in case you have any questions for me or for Janet.

48:53I'll give you a moment. Sometimes it takes a moment to come up with those questions. And, Janet, if there's anything else that you'd like to share that we haven't covered just to, help the students in figuring out if this is the right program for them, anything you'd like to share at all would be great. One of the things that that struck me is when you were going through the program, the the breaks in between the classes. It it the pace of the classes just in general, it works. It works in your life. It's not overwhelming. The six to nine hours a week, that's about it. You know, some some weeks are are six hour weeks and other weeks, if you're reading some of the optional material, you know, or or or nine hours a week.

49:44But it it doesn't feel like homework. It feels like life and and working on your relationship with God. So it doesn't really feel as academic as as it might sound on paper. Those breaks in between the classes are so key. Lots of the we're given so much material and information, and some of it, as I mentioned, is optional. And those breaks in between the classes give you lots of times to just do some leisure reading and and learn some things for your personal growth, and it's just a real gift. And then having the holidays free from, being in school, just the whole timing of the of the program works. And and, honestly, to be done in those two years, several of the programs that I looked at, and I I still think that they are, were more like three years that had, a little bit more of an intense schedule, some demands that that I didn't think were were necessary.

50:40And this program, by far and away, makes sense in your life because it it doesn't go on for too long. You're you're immediately after those, classes, as you mentioned, in in the fifth class. You're starting your practicum. You're starting to to direct all under the guise of of supervision with your professors and things. So you're never left kind of by yourself. Even after you graduate, there's so much help and so many resources and so many connections to stay connected and to continue to get help and learn. So, yeah, just so many good things about the program. Great. Very good. Well, let's see. It looks like we have one question, and this is from Joan. Joan asked, please repeat the specifics, the requirements of spiritual direction.

51:29Thank you. Yeah. Great question, Joan. So, you know, the first thing as far as the the baseline requirement, we're looking for students that are ready to answer the call from God to become spiritual directors. And one thing is that it's important that every student that goes into this has had their own experience with their own spiritual director. And so if you have had a year of experience with a spiritual director, at least a year, then that's a great place to begin. If it's been more than three years since you've had a spiritual director, the door is not closed to you by any means. I wanna highlight that. It might mean taking a little bit more time to regain that experience if it's been a little while.

52:17If you if right now you're in the search for a spiritual director for the first time, let me know. But I I'm always happy to help students in finding one. I have resources available. I do this for a lot of people. So even if it means that you're not ready to apply right now, I'm always happy to help people even if it's just for their own benefit in their own spiritual life. But for those that have the recent experience, it's important that that that part's there. And, also, it's important that students that are going through the program continue to have spiritual direction. So that's another, prerequisite. And then as far as the application goes, one would be doing the application form. That would be the first step.

53:01And, again, it's on our website. If you want me to send it to you, I'm happy to do that. And then also the the, recommendations are needed. They're just Google forms that they would fill out, so they don't have to sit down and write letters, but rather they would fill out a short Google form, and it would get sent to your application automatically. And then the last step would be a group interview. And this is something that only happens for an hour. It's always on a Monday night, and I always make sure to schedule it with a student on an evening that works for them. So, again, very doable. Always flexible if, you know, if there's any sort of accommodations that you need to have with this, let me know.

53:43I'm happy to see what we can do for you. But that's a great question, Joan. Hopefully, that answers that. If there are any other questions, I'd be happy to answer that or or Janet's here as well. Let's see. We have about a couple more minutes. Janet, I'll ask one maybe I I can ask one for you. I've asked so many so far, but I guess one more won't hurt. For some students, one question they have is when I speak with them, they say and these are for the folks that are that are laypeople that might not have a vocation in ministry. And sometimes they're a little bit hesitant to go into this because they might feel that spiritual direction is only for those that are consecrated religious or in the diaconate or something like that.

54:34What would you say to those students that are laypeople that this is not their vocation? Maybe they're married or maybe they're, you know, working full time in a secular world, but still feel the call to become spiritual directors? That's a great question. And and, honestly, let let's face it. None of none of us are qualified. Right? But God equips the call. He doesn't call the equipped. I I think everybody in the program has felt that at one point. I'm not sure I can do this. I'm not sure I'm worthy. But the fact that he he nudges and he calls, that's where, the obedience comes in. Right? And we do have, as laypeople, a lot of life experience, a lot of relationship experience that can be so beneficial to people in spiritual direction.

55:24I have many, young women that I direct who come to me because I am a mom and a wife and somebody that works in in ministry and just a a plain old lay person. I think sometimes the priest and the religious can be a little bit intimidating to certain kind of people, which is fine. So they are going to go to a lay director, and and some people seek out lay spiritual directors. So, yeah, don't ever think that you're not qualified again. If God's calling you, he's gonna take care of that. So be bold. Yeah. I I appreciate you saying that. I always like to highlight to people that saint saint JP two, his first spiritual director, in helping him figure out that he was called to a life of ministry in in, in the priesthood came from a secular a layperson who is a spiritual director.

56:17So you never know who you're going to influence. And one of our students that I did a webinar with recently, father Devereaux, he is a priest. His spiritual director is a, is a laywoman, and he found that to be very beneficial to him, just because it it helped him grasp a new understanding of the people that he serves in the diaconate. So, anyway, I hope this has been helpful for you. Again, if if you feel like you're called to this, like Janet said, this is a great opportunity to take that first step and just applying. And, again, I'm here to answer any questions that you have. So I think that's that. Janet, thank you so much for speaking with me. I really appreciate your time and being able to share with everyone about your role in the program.

57:09Thanks, Greg. It was my pleasure. I appreciate it. Alright. Thank you. Alright. Take care, everyone. Have a great night, and god bless.